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20040505 12:17:18 | iljitsch@jabber | hey people, I want two 6bone prefixes. Any ideas on how to get those? Subscribing to the 6bone list doesn't work as good as it used to...
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20040505 12:18:28 | iljitsch@jabber | (Nobody interested in why I would want those two 6bone prefixes... I'll shut up now.)
20040505 12:18:31 | jeroen@irc | hmmm not many folks here
20040505 12:18:51 | jeroen@irc | hi iljitsch ;)
20040505 12:20:51 | iljitsch@jabber | ah, it's THE jeroen...
20040505 12:20:58 | iljitsch@jabber | (your name is just mentioned by Gert)
20040505 12:21:09 | jeroen@irc | ah I heared that on #bgp6 ;)
20040505 12:21:16 | jeroen@irc | I am watching the video feed
20040505 12:21:22 | jeroen@irc | but have no audio here though
20040505 12:21:32 | iljitsch@jabber | (-:
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20040505 12:21:45 | iljitsch@jabber | I'll see if I can set up some streaming for you.
20040505 12:22:23 | jeroen@irc | nono
20040505 12:22:28 | jeroen@irc | it is a local problem
20040505 12:22:31 | jeroen@irc | no speakers
20040505 12:22:41 | jeroen@irc | and no earplugs ;)
20040505 12:22:42 | iljitsch@jabber | arggghh
20040505 12:23:06 | jeroen@irc | only 20ms latency to amsterdam from here... so that is not the issue
20040505 12:26:06 | iljitsch@jabber | ∞ ms latency from the cpu to your ears.  :-)
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20040505 12:30:55 | jeroen@irc | hmm I just saw iljitsch..... in white ? :)
20040505 12:34:43 | iljitsch@jabber | yes I'm wearing my NL-ix t-shirt since there is an AMS-IX party tonight.
20040505 12:35:12 | jeroen@irc | ah... ;)
20040505 12:35:16 | Lemming@irc | hehe
20040505 12:35:19 | jeroen@irc | iljitsch goes dancing ;)
20040505 12:35:34 | Lemming@irc | does one knows what to expect at this party?
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20040505 12:35:44 | jeroen@irc | woman
20040505 12:35:47 | jeroen@irc | nerds dancing around
20040505 12:35:55 | jeroen@irc | 70's music
20040505 12:35:55 | denesh@irc | in ipv6?
20040505 12:36:04 | jeroen@irc | denesh: no on the amsix party tonight
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20040505 12:36:18 | denesh@irc | in ipv6? who is dancing around/ ;-)
20040505 12:36:27 | denesh@irc | ah right
20040505 12:36:35 | jeroen@irc | and the IPv6 dancer is the KAME
20040505 12:36:35 | chh@irc | hi anyone has a working v6 connection out
20040505 12:36:35 | iljitsch@jabber | http://www.kame.net/
20040505 12:36:40 | jeroen@irc | you should know that ;)
20040505 12:36:48 | jeroen@irc | chh: it appears to be working..
20040505 12:36:57 | jeroen@irc | chh: at least Pim could connect
20040505 12:37:02 | jeroen@irc | chh: getting a prefix?
20040505 12:37:12 | chh@irc | yes of course
20040505 12:37:17 | Aziraphal@irc | chh yup, works now
20040505 12:37:17 | jeroen@irc | can you ping?
20040505 12:37:38 | denesh@irc | doesn;t seem like the jabber is in the eix channel. :-/
20040505 12:37:52 | chh@irc | i tried my home net (2001:7a0::/32) it don't work
20040505 12:37:56 | chh@irc | I have to take a closer look
20040505 12:38:12 | Aziraphal@irc | I seem to be having trouble with kame.net but sixxs.net works ok
20040505 12:38:31 | jeroen@irc | azi: traceroute kame.net it is quite far away probably
20040505 12:38:39 | jeroen@irc | azi: sixxs is in .nl .. aka around the corner :)
20040505 12:38:51 | iljitsch@jabber | the v6 is very bad this week.
20040505 12:39:08 | jeroen@irc | 2001:7a0::/32 has odd routing
20040505 12:39:28 | jeroen@irc | traceroute to 2001:7a0::1 (2001:7a0::1) from 2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets
20040505 12:39:31 | jeroen@irc |  1  fe0.breda.ipv6.concepts-ict.net (2001:838:1:1::1)  0.359 ms  0.27 ms  0.279 ms
20040505 12:39:33 | jeroen@irc |  2  se2.ams-ix.ipv6.concepts-ict.net (2001:838:0:10::1)  10.085 ms  4.929 ms  3.441 ms
20040505 12:39:36 | jeroen@irc |  3  nikhef.ams-ix.ipv6.intouch.net (2001:7f8:1::a500:8954:1)  151.946 ms  102.312 ms  114.789 ms
20040505 12:39:38 | Aziraphal@irc | jeroen: kame traceroute dies in .jp
20040505 12:39:39 | jeroen@irc |  4  3ffe:800::fffb:0:0:5 (3ffe:800::fffb:0:0:5)  234.572 ms  271.122 ms  285.242 ms
20040505 12:39:42 | jeroen@irc |  5  at-vie01a-re1-t-2.ipv6.aorta.net (2001:730::1:21)  206.7 ms  209.125 ms  214.924 ms
20040505 12:39:45 | jeroen@irc |  6  nl-ams06d-re1-t-4.ipv6.aorta.net (2001:730::1:0)  246.494 ms  234.047 ms  215.201 ms
20040505 12:39:46 | iljitsch@jabber | I think they forgot to enable v6 forwarding (but still rtadvd of course) until tuesday and after that parts of the v6 net unreachable and the reachable parts often periodic bad ping times.
20040505 12:39:48 | jeroen@irc | and then nothingness
20040505 12:39:51 | jeroen@irc | *peek at grh*
20040505 12:40:21 | chh@irc | traceroute to 2001:7a0:100::1 (2001:7a0:100::1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
20040505 12:40:22 | chh@irc |  1  gw-v6.ripemtg.ripe.net (2001:610:241::1)  33.443 ms   146.610 ms *
20040505 12:40:22 | chh@irc |  2  e0.6b2.ams7.alter.net (2001:7f8:1::a501:2702:1)  197.290 ms * *
20040505 12:40:22 | chh@irc |  3  * * *
20040505 12:40:22 | chh@irc |  4  * * *
20040505 12:40:22 | chh@irc |  5  * * *
20040505 12:40:26 | jeroen@irc | no I actually think this is a bigger routing issue
20040505 12:40:39 | jeroen@irc | but I can reach kame from sixxs
20040505 12:41:37 | Aziraphal@irc | got kame now but there seems to be some packet loss somewhere
20040505 12:41:42 | jeroen@irc | I think... that the link from here to WIDE is gone actually
20040505 12:41:47 | jeroen@irc | they used to be native on AMSIX
20040505 12:42:00 | jeroen@irc | the route is assymetric over ISI-LAP (AS4555)
20040505 12:42:07 | Aziraphal@irc | ah, no, it completed the connection via v4
20040505 12:43:25 | chh@irc | seems there are problems fro me also on AMSIX
20040505 12:43:37 | chh@irc | ping from 2001:7a0:100::1 ends there also
20040505 12:44:24 | jeroen@irc | grh.sixxs.net> show bgp 2001:7a0:100::1
20040505 12:44:24 | jeroen@irc | BGP routing table entry for 2001:7a0::/32
20040505 12:44:24 | jeroen@irc | Paths: (40 available, best #40, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
20040505 12:44:24 | jeroen@irc |   Not advertised to any peer
20040505 12:44:24 | jeroen@irc |   29449 3320
20040505 12:44:41 | jeroen@irc |   8954 4555 6830 3320
20040505 12:44:44 | Aziraphal@irc | connection to kame is good from my home /64
20040505 12:44:44 | jeroen@irc | that one is odd
20040505 12:44:58 | jeroen@irc | 8954 == Intouch (nl) 4555 is the US and 6830 is .nl
20040505 12:44:59 | jeroen@irc | hmmm
20040505 12:45:16 | jeroen@irc | let's ask herr steen
20040505 12:46:34 | iljitsch@jabber | I can ping www.kame.net from my box sequoia.muada.com (6bone address) @ 300 ms but traceroute6 takes forever.
20040505 12:46:46 | jeroen@irc | there is something borked
20040505 12:46:57 | jeroen@irc | 8954 4555 6830 3320
20040505 12:47:04 | jeroen@irc | should be 8954 6830 3320
20040505 12:47:47 | iljitsch@jabber | 2001:7a0:100::1 is fine too and traceroutes ok. no dice for either of those from the grand ballroom tho.
20040505 12:48:01 | chh@irc | yes, from my network I use the path over 6830 to 2001:610::/32
20040505 12:48:05 | jeroen@irc | 6830 is looking at it
20040505 12:48:13 | jeroen@irc | hold your breath ;)
20040505 12:48:15 | chh@irc | and there is somthing wrong going on
20040505 12:48:32 | chh@irc | he fine
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20040505 12:53:23 | Doug@jabber | well that was rude :(
20040505 12:53:23 | jeroen@irc | it appears that 6830 <-> 8954 is only peering
20040505 12:53:45 | jeroen@irc | thus there was some other route before taking care of it
20040505 12:53:50 | jeroen@irc | and now everything goes over the us
20040505 12:55:20 | chh@irc | so it is a matter of convergence?
20040505 12:56:55 | jeroen@irc | matter of ISP's having good routing policies
20040505 12:58:29 | chh@irc | but if the former route vanished why there still anouncing the prefix?
20040505 12:59:02 | jeroen@irc | no
20040505 12:59:14 | jeroen@irc | there was another ISP giving transit... and that ISP isn't there at the moment
20040505 12:59:21 | chh@irc | ok
20040505 12:59:24 | Aziraphal@irc | Ah. my connection from 2001:7c8:a0:1/64 uses a tunnel between BT and japan telecom thus routing around the problem
20040505 12:59:26 | jeroen@irc | at least that is my assumption
20040505 12:59:55 | chh@irc | switched on the new routing policy ...
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20040505 13:00:40 | jeroen@irc | nicely demonstrates that some there is no sufficient peering done yet
20040505 13:00:54 | jeroen@irc | and that filtering based on prefix is not done either
20040505 13:05:42 | jeroen@irc | what is iljitsch talking about ?
20040505 13:07:48 | iljitsch@jabber | Pim was talking about 6to4 relays and I said that I got into a lot of trouble running a private relay. The problem is that it stopped working for various reasons, and then you only find out when someone mails a complaint.
20040505 13:08:31 | iljitsch@jabber | So if you want to run a private relay (or a public one) you should REALLY make sure it keeps working and monitor everything.
20040505 13:08:49 | jeroen@irc | same thing what happened when xs4all's 6to4 broke and switch.ch got the traffic all of a sudden
20040505 13:09:02 | jeroen@irc | traffic == loads of nntp traffic from endusers <-> newszilla6 ;)
20040505 13:09:39 | iljitsch@jabber | Then Pim said he had little trouble. Obviously some of the problems I had were my own fault and to be expected because of all the weird configs I was testing, but there was also some stuff where FreeBSD did the wrong thing, as far as I can tell.
20040505 13:10:23 | jeroen@irc | that is the 'great documentation' then prolly ;)
20040505 13:10:24 | iljitsch@jabber | But the real point is that you probably don't use 6to4 yourself so if it breaks you become unreachable for 6to4 users without knowing it unless you monitor everything.
20040505 13:11:36 | jeroen@irc | ah... that direction
20040505 13:11:37 | jeroen@irc | indeed
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20040505 13:22:57 | chh@irc | I had a closer look and the as path I'm receiving for 2001:610::/32 is:  6830 1103
20040505 13:23:46 | chh@irc | seems that the routing is asymetric
20040505 13:23:52 | Doug@jabber | anyone else on the local network having problems getting to the outside world?
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20040505 13:24:32 | jeroen@irc | chh: tracepath should already have shown you that... and the fact that the hops after AS4555 have lower latencies
20040505 13:25:14 | jeroen@irc | doug: depends on the destination :)
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20040505 13:29:07 | chh@irc | jeroen: I only would be shure to have reliable results
20040505 13:30:19 | jeroen@irc | chh: tracepath gives quite reliable results.... (and the fact that I sneaky looked in GRH and saw the paths going both ways ;)
20040505 13:30:47 | webbie@irc | who uploaded IPv6-points and IPv6points2.ppt?
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20040505 14:19:48 | jeroen@irc | dave!
20040505 14:31:19 | iljitsch@jabber | drumrolls please
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20040505 15:07:31 | Aziraphal@irc | if whoever runs the PA reads this, can you turn down the gain a bit?
20040505 15:07:53 | Doug@jabber | yeah, he's awful close to the mic
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